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Discussion in 'General Aquascaping and Planted Tank Discussions' started by Grimreaperz, Jul 30, 2017.

  1. Grimreaperz

    Grimreaperz New Member

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    Would you be able to provide me examples? I understand what you are saying just unsure how to go about it without it showing
     

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    keithgh Moderator Staff Member

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    If I remember correctly I pushed the slate into the substrate so I could just see the tops of the slate. That is why its called an underground retaining wall.
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    I added the rocks in front of the buried slate.
    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Grimreaperz New Member

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    Thanks so much for that! I totally get it now
     
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    keithgh Moderator Staff Member

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    Glad I could help you.

    Have you researched your plant list yet?

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    So I know you are going to hate me because I hate people that do this in the saltwater hobby. But my friend works at an LFS and heard I was getting into freshwater and dropped off a massive amount of plants for me. Amazon sword, corkscrew fern, java fern, anubus, ludwigia, scarlet red, money wart, jungle Val, and moss balls.

    So I planted it all as quick as I could and haven't had a chance to support the substrate. I have 3 T5HO running 6400k bulbs so I am.hoping I will be okay as these are all relatively low tech plants.

    Any advice you can give me would be awesome but I have a lot of research to do tonight that is for Sure![​IMG]
     
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    Zeus Active Aquascaper

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    Nobody looks a gift horse in the mouth. Nice selection of plants too. Not quite what you had planned but plans change, its your tank and you do with it what you please.

    Keep us update on how its goes (y)
     
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    keithgh Moderator Staff Member

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    Not a problem life's too short to worry about that.

    The biggest problem for your small tank will be the A Sword. It can grow to a maximum of 35 to 50+ cm (14 – 20+ inches) in height. Then there is the width see photo.
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    Ask your friend on the variety as some can grow very big where others the leaves are smaller than your small finger nail. They cannot be planted they must be attached to preferably old DW as its soft and can grip quicker. I tied mine down with a 10lb green fishing line, there are other methods but I found this to be the best except for the very small varieties I used a Super Glue.

    Once you get it fully cycled get a few red Cherry shrimps and Ottos to keep the algae down.
    Feeding as most are rooting plants I would get a good Fert Tab ask mate.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    keithgh Moderator Staff Member

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    Zeus is perfectly correct its your tank in your home an as long as you are happy that is all that counts.

    All we can do is advise members on what is the best for them.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Yeah that's what i was worried about as well. The A Sword is massive lol...i have some leaves sticking out of the top right now. Yeah there were a few plants in my list but I couldn't say no! I am thinking of getting Flourish substrate Tabs would these be okay?

    In the time being I am prepping the 29g to unload some of these plants!

    I will definitely keep you all posted and I really appreciate the help and advice thus far! I am really liking this forum seems like a great community!
     
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    That Sword will send out runners and once that starts you will not see the other plants. It will not happen overnight but it will happen. If you cut the runners each new plant will start sending out runners as well once they get established.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Yeah I heard they can get quite big once under the right conditions!
     
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    Just imagine the root structure under this it could wreck a tank getting it out.

    I have only ever used the Seachem Fert tabs. There are cheaper brands but you use them more often making them dearer over all.

    Keith:cat::cat:

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    Ended up aquriing some dwarf sag last night for free from a local. It had ramshorns eggs but I just removed them by hand and all is well! Super excited to get this 29 setup again! Almost ready still working away at the silicone left over from the background been tempted to setup my 5g rimless as a spare though I need shelving!
     
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    As far as the amazon sword you make a good point about the root structure. I probably won't be using it in the 29. Maybe some limnophilia? [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
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    It will smother every thing in that tank very quickly then wreck the tank getting it out.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Limnophilia Will?

    And generally if I plant a plant I'm not planning on taking it out? So not sure why that has anything to do with anything?
     
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    Going back to the sand water fall how is it going?

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    I totally agree about what Keith says about Amazon Sword root structure. Trying to move one once it totally disturbed the sediment and it reqiured loads of water changes and other plants needed re planting .Try to plce them as near as you can to the final position
     
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    Over the years I have seen a few monsters in tanks too small for the tank.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Sand waterfall is on hold for right now just doing as much research as possible. Do you think limnophilia would be a good alternative to Amazon Sword or is the root structure still big with them?
     

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