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Non CO2 ADA 60p

Discussion in 'Aquascaping Showcase' started by plantbrain, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. plantbrain Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Took awhile to scrap off the lime and other junk.



    I have 4 different sets of wood to try out, but I'm 60-70% leaning one way.
    You can see the Mame prefilter on the back corner.
    The eshoppes prefilter and the lily pipe will be removed.
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    Mesh will act as a nice scaffold for the moss and other plants.
  3. stevo Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Can't wait to see it in action. That wood is amazing, but it is very similar to the previous layout, imo.
    Don't you afraid of that stainless frame makes the maintenance like "mission impossible" ?
    But such a nice idea to plant moss and other on that frame, I'm wondering using the same thing in my tank, but not for the whole surface.
  4. plantbrain Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Well, the general theme is similar, both the wood is a better choice and provides a more solid stable base, anchors the scape better.

    I wanted something thicker and more compressed away from the glass, this makes cleaning easier and provides more caves for the fish, and........better flow all the way around the perimeter of the aquarium.

    The mesh allows me to use only the space I feel I like, and I can add/delete any space from this scaffold.

    Once the plants are attached on there, it will look very different.
    This will also make long term care and attaching plants, moss MUCH easier.
    The mesh also can target just the correct height on the water and since I have a wet/dry ...the water level is very stable in the tank, no drop/rise due to evaporation and replacement water.

    Few have a wet/dry sump on a non CO2 ADA 60p.
  5. ghostsword Aspiring Aquascaper

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    What I have done with a mesh was to attach close cell foam on the sides and let it float on the top. However the idea of using wood also on top is really good, I will blatantly copy this for a 35 cube I have. :)


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    I'll be watching this closely, it's great to see people pushing things, I immediately thought of you, Luis, glad you're taking tips. ;)
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    Copying is certainly fine with me, I tend to try different ideas.
    No sense in doing the same old thing.


    Some work out, some do not.

    But the aesthetic is certainly been demonstrated that this type of display can achieve a high level. Each incarnation can improve and hone a better end result.

    Then the method/style is well set in the hobby.

    I think such displays are EXTREMELY functional for the fish.........and since most planted hobbyist started out with fish only...this might be a return to the method without CO2, but still gaining the advantages of plants.

    It's also extremely easy aquarium to maintain over the long term.
    Very very high success rate, since little light/plant issues, good growth, you can do no water changes in most cases, or you can do 2-3x a week.........

    Fish like the dark underbelly of the floating plant roots.
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    Yep, this is a great way to do a tank. I got a shallow acrylic at just 15cm tall, this will allow me to have a medow of hc and fish still swim under.

    We need to keep pushing boundaries and still revisit old techniques. :)


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  9. plantbrain Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Non CO2 = FAR less headache and much better long term success rates.
    If the plants are semi emergent..then it's real hard to mess it up.

    Water changes can go either way with this type of set up also.
    With a little patience (something lacking in the hobby generally), non CO2 methods are well worth the wait.

    If you go a non CO2 submersed planting, then a the DSM adds speed and stability and mineralization all in one go.

    So there's a few ways to speed the process up, but in general, semi emergent growth like this tank.........provides faster rates of growth than submersed growth.

    So it really is a win win if ..........the design meets your scaping goals.
    I find these types of tank design very satisfying personally, I like to look at the emergent growth and ponder. Most everyone that walks into my home likes to look at this tank and is fascinated by it.
    Biggest issues are aphids and white fly pest etc.
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    On my emergent setups I sometimes have some sort of very small insect, brown in appearance, jumpy. The fish eat them when I dip the emersed plants on the water.

    Are those affids?


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  11. plantbrain Aspiring Aquascaper

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    No, aphids are sap suckers and slow. Like new tender leaves etc.

    I added the Mame overflow, it's everything that you have heard it is.
    Much quieter than the Eshopps nano overflow and much smaller, you get a nice return also.
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    Thanks . I wonder what those insects are then .. :)

    I am really enjoying your setup, looking forward to more details.


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    Coming from Tom this will no doubt be amazing, that mesh looks good for plants like riccia. You should get some of that meshed.. wait.. this was supposed to be a low maintenance tank wasn't it, maybe not :p

    Or maybe a moss tank? like this one in Bangkok
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMxzIuxCrLw"]My Moss Tank in Bangkok - YouTube[/ame]

    Luis, those bugs are most likely Springtails, Collembola
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    It will be similar plant wise to the original idea with the old 60p ADA.

    I had Riccia pest in the moss initially, took me about 2 months to pick it all out.......then I'd see more.........maybe 1 years before I managed to beat it all out of the moss.

    Son of a gun..........

    Same thing with some other similar plants, duck weed is much hated also, but not like Riccia and Baldderwort (U gibba), those are the worse two offenders in the hobby.

    Algae I can handle, but another plant...........
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    Springtails, Collembola ... ok, now I know what they are. :)

    The good thing is that the fish eat them.. :)
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    The vets all have the same thoughts. haha. Newbies love riccia and then they find out. LMAO.

    Submerged form of riccia is a PITA in my JHG foregrounds. Looks like algae and gets tangled up easily. Needs only one stray bit to multiply. GRRR

    However another 'survivor' pest is java moss. Impossible to remove without killing every other plant and likes to stick to rocks/wood when you don't want it there.

    I possibly have commitment problems as I hate clingy plants.
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    dam you have awesome wood!
  18. plantbrain Aspiring Aquascaper

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    If.......they can get at them.
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    Same feelings 110%
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    They do, every two or three days I raise the water before water change.


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