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If you are new to Planted Tanks you should read this

Discussion in 'General Aquascaping and Planted Tank Discussions' started by ghostsword, Jun 23, 2011.

  1. ghostsword

    ghostsword Aspiring Aquascaper Staff Member

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    Don't be shy.. :) update the article.. :)

    The clearer it is then the better will be right?

    I do not get hang up by the exact amount, dry ferts are not that expensive and too much will not do harm. :) so 1/8 is sometimes 1/4.. Never had issues with it. As long as I do not underdose I will be fine.



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  2. jimi

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    Well me tank is standard 202 litrre 4ft so what you think?
     
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  3. ghostsword

    ghostsword Aspiring Aquascaper Staff Member

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    About what? the dosing? You can add dry ferts as per the directions, and if you see any deficiencies then add more.

    It isn't an exact science, there are a lot of variables, such as water, soil, substrate, plant take up, light, and co2, so each tank is different, you just need to find your own balance.

    With so many variables I dose a lot of ferts, at least one thing will be out of my mind, so I can concentrate on the CO2, as light I can manage.
     
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    so helpful! thank you
    i think i might head in the low-tech direction for sure.
     
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    GR1KTR Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Glenn,

    Since you appear to be a resourceful kind of fellow I will keep asking you to do good things:

    - Can you find out why ADA's system for running a planted tank is not mentioned in the first post of this thread?

    - Can you find out of ADA invented everything they do from scratch?

    - Can you find out what did people do before ADA?

    - Can you find out how ADA compares to El Natural?

    That information will be more useful for the people new to planted tanks than reading or getting into another pointless argument.
     
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  8. plantbrain

    plantbrain Aspiring Aquascaper

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    I never created EI, at least the method itself, Hoagland's modified hydroponic solution and modified versions with large water changes to maintain good stable ppm's is hardly something I came up, since this was done back in the 1930's.
    In fact, 90% or more of EI comes directly from PMDD which is mostly Paul Sears and the APD folks from the 1990's. I've argued for it, but I never created it, I've written about it, coined a term, but that's about all.

    ADA is a company, I am not. ADA mostly promoted aquascaping, which is different from horticulture and production of growth.
    ADA does not share analysis of their sediments. Nor offers any methods and results for fertilizers etc, they simply try and sell sell sell.
    Pretty pictures, very good ones, etc.

    But this does NOT lead to some higher understanding about how aquatic plants grow or critical thinking. We gain little knowledge overall unless you pay for a very expensive product and line of aquariums.
    Many hobbyists cannot pay that high price. But they can benefit from the methods of scaping from ADA, which is what most of the AJ, along with buy our product line suggest.
    ADA fanboys offer little, as to what induces specific algae, or offer logic based on Liebig's law etc, most is parroted from ADA marketing.


    I can, Dutch scapes kicked butt, but they are done by individuals/hobbyists, not a company and a professional photographer. So there is little promotion of those, they are older than Amano is for that matter.
    El natural: non CO2/non Excel based panted tanks, prior to the 1970's, it was done, but rarely, I have DIY yeast CO2 suggested from TFH from 1962. Researchers used it going back to the 1930's at least for growth of algae and plants.

    You can be an awesome scaper but not know beans about algae, plant physiology, Liebig, etc, likewise, you can know about science, grow plants very well, but be a lousy scaper or photographer. A method does not imply an awesome scape.
    Nor does an awesome scape imply a superior method.

    You say you want people to come to an objective opinion, but you are not arguing like it. I like ADA and I like Amano personally, but I'm not a fanboy nor place anyone up on a pedestal. Your post?
    Be honest.
     
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  9. juanote

    juanote Aspiring Aquascaper

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    I slip in this thread with your permission.

    First I would like to say that if I write something that does not sound good, first you consult me, because my English is not very good.

    I add another subscriber system use for some time and instilled in me a great aquarist of Spain (Alberto Sosa), this system is based on pay according to consumption.

    I personally after many trials and tests with calibrated test (NO3, PO4 and Fe) have come to the conclusion that not obsess with the measurements, but if you find an approximation of consumption that each aquarium, reaching to the conclusion that the famous ratios 10:1:10 (or whatever), for me they are still a good approximation for the start of the process of calculating the nutritional intake of an aquarium.

    I say this because I came to this conclusion because I have aquariums shoot ratios balanced with standards, for example, maintain a balanced aquarium 0mg / l NO3, 1mg / l PO4 and 0.05 mg / l (iron is approximate) Fe, which add daily 3mg / l NO3, 0.6 mg / l PO4, 4.50 mg / l K and 0, 045 mg / l Fe

    Maybe this is just one approach to the start of another avenue for discussion.

    I want to point out that I read about Tom Barr and I am not discussing his method, just introduce another method to debate.

    Tom, take this opportunity to congratulate you on this magnificent Dutch hold and ask you to put more photos that you have not see it as progress.
     
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  10. Yo Man

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    Thanks for sharing, very helpful for a beginners like me...
     
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    Very valuable information. Thanks...
     
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  12. seafury

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    Hello this us my first post. Seema like a awsome forum. I have always wanted to do a aqauscape tank can't wait to get started


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  13. Jack

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    Brain attack.....o_O ...loads of information from this thread and the links... Got to take a break, re-process and digest what i have read before i move onto the next thread...
    thanks guys..
     
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  14. keithgh

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    Yes its certainly has a wealth of information.

    Well worth printing a hard copy.

    Keith:):)
     
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    It keeps linking me to rocks in my head

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