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Help with Blue Moscow Guppy female

Discussion in 'Fish' started by Cip, Dec 15, 2015.

  1. Cip

    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Hey guys,

    Something is wrong with one of the female guppy that I have. First I thought it's stressed out, it gets beaten up by an endler female. She swimmed for hours in the flow produces by the filter. After 2 days I've noticed a white stuff on her mouth and head, I decided to put her in a fish maternity and see if she will do better but the white stuff spread on her body also, can you please help me identify the problem and what treatment should I use. The parameters are in check nothing out of the ordinary, temprature between 23-24degrees Celsius ( 73-74 Fahrenheit). The other fish are ok.

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  2. Solcielo lawrencia

    Solcielo lawrencia Aspiring Aquascaper

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    The white stringy poop suggests intestinal worms or nematodes. Levamisole is a safe treatment but not guaranteed to work.
     
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  3. keithgh

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    If it is a contagious concern it should be in a separate tank completely.

    It also looks like you could have more than one concern.

    How long have you had the Guppy?

    Use this as a guide only.

    http://guppyz.tripod.com/guppy_disease_chart.html

    Personally sorry to say its a bit late now to start treatment if you do treat it will have to be in another tank.

    If it was my fish I would think medicate or put it to sleep if no improvement in a few days.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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  4. Cip

    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    I've removed it from the tank, put it in a separate container, I have it for 2 weeks now, but the issues started about 4 days ago when I noticed the strange behaviour. I looked at that site and couldn't identify it that's why I posted it. It looked like columnaris ...

    The male is fine.
     
  5. keithgh

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    http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/disease/p/columnaris.htm

    Cip did you click "More info" ?

    I have not had Guppies for over 30 years now but it sounded like a fungus to me.

    Some treatments you might have to use can kill all the good bacteria in your tank then that starts more problems.

    Ask your LFS take the fish for them to look at.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  6. Cip

    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Yep I've read the more info, I think I agree with you that is too late for treatment it's condition is deteriorating. I don't think it can be saved, any idea what to add to the water to prevent any other victims ?

    The idea is the white stuff is gone so I don't think its columnaris. The eyes seems blury somehow I don't know how to explain.
     
  7. Cip

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    It died
     
  8. keithgh

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    How long have you had the guppy plus post a full water report please.

    A few good water changes every third day would not hurt as a starter.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  9. Cip

    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    2 weeks, it came in with the male, 3 ancistrus and 6 RCS.

    pH: 7.4
    NH4/NH3: 0ppm
    NO2: <0.01ppm
    NO3: <15
    Temperature: 24 degrees Celsius ( 75 degrees Fahrenheit )

    I did that, 20%-25% every 3 days :).

    Feeding once every 2 days, just enough so no extra food remains uneaten.
     
  10. keithgh

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    It is possible it came with the fish when you bought it.

    Nitrate a whisker high below "10" is often recommended.

    Water change a 50% every third day then 30% every third day.

    Also check your water supply.

    If its still high there must be something in your tank causing it.

    When did you clean your filter and how how was it done?

    Is their a dead fish in the tank or dead plant material?

    Feeding its not only how often its how much.

    Double checking is there any Carbon in your filter at all.

    I always measured my food with a very small spoon, called a mustard spoon its about a 1/8th of a spoon.

    This is a fishing expedition reason for all the questions.

    A few good photos of your tank would be appreciated as well.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  11. Solcielo lawrencia

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    If it's an internal parasite, others are likely infected. They usually come infected but they don't get sick unless stressed.
     
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  12. Cip

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    The high nitrate value is because of the substrate, both types are active.

    These are some values from my tap water:

    NH4+: mg/l <0,008
    NO2: mg/l <0,005
    NO3: mg/l 4.95
    Fe: μg/l 50
    TDS: 8.4

    Filter is cleaned almost every water change ( weekly ), I take some water from the tank then I rinse carefully the sponges, I never clean the filter in tap water.

    No dead fish in the tank, I rip of dead leafs every 2 days if there are some, so there is a small amount of dead plant material.

    No carbon in my filter.

    Like I said I don't feed too much food, just enough for them to eat it all. I feed a small amount, then after they finish I feed smaller amount.

    Here are some images from the tank, I've separated the aggresive female.

    Man my bet is on the stress caused by the aggresive one, the dead female swimmed for hours in the flow generated by the filter because the other one chased it of every time it came in the from of the tank, the imune system went down...

    IMG_0645 (1).JPG picture (1).jpg picture (2).jpg picture (3).jpg picture (4).jpg picture (5).jpg picture (6).jpg picture (7).jpg picture (8).jpg picture (9).jpg picture.jpg
     
  13. Cip

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    Maybe this is it in the case of that female, I will supervise the others to see what will happen.
     
  14. Cip

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    Even though I know that intestinal worms cause weakening which was not the case.
     
  15. keithgh

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    Why not?

    The tank and plants all look very healthy.

    If it only effects one fish I would put it down to Death caused by Unknown sources.

    Filter cleaning every week what are you running and is it big enough?

    At every water change I always used Seachem Stability to keep the good bacteria in the filter very healthy and double dosage when I cleaned the filter.

    If you intend to keep and breed Guppies in that small tank you will have a population problem very quickly.

    Read up and learn as much as you can also consider joining a Guppy Forum.

    Keith:cat::cat:

    A good ratio is about 3 FM - 1M
     
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  16. Cip

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    Keith Aquael versamax 1 500l/hr.

    I don't clean the filter in tap water because it has clorine, it kills the bacteria.

    I don't intend to bread guppy and if they make fry I will not keep them in the same tank, I'll do another one just for that. I've read about guppies a lot and also about endlers.
     
  17. Cip

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    The guy from which I got the guppy didn't have enough females so he gave me just 1.

    Endlers need 2f for 1m this if you want to bread them, I only got them because they are small and suited for my small tank.
     
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    Drop Doctor Fiona a line she is a very good fish doctor known in the UK.. Describe the symptoms to her, she usualy gives very prompt replies probably with some questions too and an honest advice what to use and how to is it. You can buy the products needed from here website and they ship very fast.. She and her team developed the medicine fluke-solve based on Praziquantel, which is very effective against most common internal and external parasites. In most cases determing which infection by symptoms only always is a bit of a guess without a microscopic investigation. But she probably can tell..

    I had a school of Pygmy Cory's which came from the LFS with a heavy Trichodina infection. This parasite is external but also can also cause blury eyes and finaly blindness. Other infections like bacterial or fungus can come along a later stage of the initial infection. I've tried different known LFS products like from Tetra and Colombo which didn't seem to help and even had nasty side effects even worse for the fish or the tank than the parasite itself. Fluke solve has non of that, it is safe to use, even for longer periodes of time. I've used it as adviced for over 14 days without any issues other than having all cory's survive the ordeal and are still healthy today (6 months later now). (y)

    http://www.fish-treatment.co.uk/fluke-solve/#

    Use the contact button on above website and drop Dr. Fiona a line. :)

    Side note: Tetra and others also comes with a praziquantel based medicine.. But it is deluted in ethanol, there for it only can't be used short periodes of time. If you keep administering athanol to the tank water, it'l distroy your biocycle completely. Stay away from in alcohol deluted products if possible. :)
    Fluke solve is powder, can be used for quite some time without side effects.
     
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  19. Cip

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    Thank you for the kind advice will contact her.
     
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  20. keithgh

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    Thank you for posting that very useful information.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     

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