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Eliminating clado from low tech

Discussion in 'Algae' started by Axelrodi202, Apr 29, 2016.

  1. Orlandog7

    Orlandog7 Aspiring Aquascaper

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    @J Art can you please elaborate on how this treatment is done? Thanks.
     

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  2. keithgh

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    Orlandog

    J Art posted this today 12.34am

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  3. J Art

    J Art Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Turn off filters and use a baby oral syringe to apply h2o2 directly to the algae. Only use 1 syringe full per treatment though. I got 5 or 6 spots treated each time. Let filters stay off for 5-10 minutes and then start them up again. I did it every day for 3 days and it was enough. Then siphon out the dead stuff gently. You'll see it working right away as the h2p2 bubbles up on the spots you put it. Be careful around fish and shrimp as it can harm them with direct contact.
     
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    keithgh Moderator Staff Member

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    J Art

    Did you do a good syphon and the water change on the 4th day if not when was the next water change done and what percentage did you change.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  5. J Art

    J Art Aspiring Aquascaper

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    I did my normal 50% weekly change. I think the hydrogen peroxide just turns to oxygen, so the water change isn't really needed to get rid of the h2o2, but a good 50% doesn't hurt either way.


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  6. keithgh

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    You are certainly not wrong there, before I pulled the last tank down two 35-40% weekly water changes was very noticeable in the Anubia and, Crypt growth rate.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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  7. CRS Fan

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    What are the pros and cons of using Excel/Metricide over Peroxide? I have some BBA and Clado in an Aquastyle 4 gallon tank with shrimp (Neos) and nano fish. Is peroxide less toxic? Is it as effective as Excel/Metricide against BBA using the spot dosing technique?

    And a tank picture....

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    Just curious.

    Respectfully,

    Stuart


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  8. ShadowMac

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    Hey Stuart,

    As far as spot dosing it is just as effective. It is less effective as a "tank dose" where you just add it to the tank. They work differently, so in a sense toxicity is hard to compare. H2O2 is a strong oxidizer and will oxidize organics, it destroys algae in this way. Other aquarium oxidizers are things like Potassium permanganate. Because it oxidizes organics, cumulative dosing can have increasingly strong results as you run out of organics for it to oxidize. Continual use wouldn't be advised for this reason. Spot dosing over the course of combating a problem works well with little risk to live stock. I would not spot dose more than a few ml at a time.

    With excel, we know the recommended dosage per volume of water and it will have an equivalent effect with subsequent dosing, unlike hydrogen peroxide or other oxidizers. You could essentially spot treat the entire dose at a big water change and fill it up without too much concern for livestock.

    Both options can burn plants. Excel does so much more easily. H2O2 will if left on delicate leaves too long. So I prefer to spot dose H2O2 while the spots are submerged or do a quick misting with a spray bottle right before filling the tank back up.

    Does this answer your questions? Both are relatively equivalent in effectiveness for spot dosing. H2O2 can have a cumulative strengthening of the dose with subsequent doses, but is generally less toxic. Excel is pretty safe too, but can burn plants much easier. Better to use on hardscape only whereas H2O2 can be used on plants and mosses. If spot treating mosses with H2O2 do so submerged. Hardscape at water change with water level drop. You can spot dose or mist everything with a couple ml. For a small 4 gallon I would do no more than 1-2 ml.
     
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  9. CRS Fan

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    Hello ShadowMac.

    Thank you for your timely and in depth response. I'm leaning towards H2O2 as a spot dose on some mosses as I find the Glut burns the plants more as you mentioned. Right now I am spot dosing Metricide 14 with WC's but often find I can't dose as much as I need to complete the job in such a small tank.

    One last question, can I use regular 3% H2O2 from a drugstore?

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  10. ShadowMac

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    That is what I use. If you find its burning your plants you can always dilute it.
     
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  11. keithgh

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    I would start off with a diluted mix first that way you can easily increase the strength the other way if it burns your plants its too late the damage has been done.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Not much has changed in the tank. The dwarf sag is rooting well. I'm still aggressively dosing Metricide to combat the BBA. The H2O2 does not seem to work as effectively as the Glut. I've also included a couple of close-ups of some of my Blue Wizard shrimp. Not many shrimplets are making it past my fat and happy CPD's.

    Here are a few pics as of tonight!

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    And a Few Tank Shots

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    Thanks for looking.

    Best regards,

    Stuart


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  13. keithgh

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    Can you put a fine mesh over that inlet its big enough to suck in an adult Shrimp.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  14. CRS Fan

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    Hello Keith.

    The entire inlet is lined by a fine sponge. The adult shrimp are too big to be sucked in by the filter and the shrimplets would be fine too. I'm going to cut a piece of 30ppi Poret Foam to make the intake sponge less accessible.

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    That sounds like a very good idea.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  16. CRS Fan

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    I just realized it has been about a month since my last update.

    The tank is settling in nicely. I have lost 1 more CPD to jumping (have only 2 left). My shrimp seem to be hanging in and I'll be moving them over to my Fluval Flora soon.

    I'm still waiting for my replacement LED from Eheim and using 1 mini LED and my 13W Flora light in lieu of the Eheim warranty replacement.

    Here are some pics as of last night.

    Left side with Sagittaria subulata growing in:
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    Right side showing Monte Carlo growing in well and Needle Leaf:
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    Close-up of a shrimp:
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    Left side showing some Anubias 'petite' in background:
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    Close-up of Micranthemum umbrosum:
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    Top down view of the creeping Bucephalandra:
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    Top down view of other Buce species:
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    Top down of Ludwigia 'red' and repens, and Fissidens/weeping Moss:
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    Thanks for looking!

    Best regards,

    Stuart


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  17. keithgh

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    Thank you for the update.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     

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