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A Rocky Garden

Discussion in 'Aquascaping Journals' started by Culprit3, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. lucasgg

    lucasgg Active Aquascaper

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    Looked into an Eheim 2213? Those things run for forever.


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  2. Culprit3

    Culprit3 Aspiring Aquascaper

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    I'm trying to stay lower cost. I'm selling my old filter for $15 so under $30 would be nice.

    But which would be better? The new sunsun or the used, but bigger Cascade 1000?
     
  3. lucasgg

    lucasgg Active Aquascaper

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    Can't help there. Only used eheim. For a reason too


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  4. Culprit3

    Culprit3 Aspiring Aquascaper

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    It looks like it might be a really good deal. Only $15, we live close to each other so I could just go pick it up, it comes with 3 media trays, tubing, an input with a surface skimmer, and a directional output. If it's in good condition and not too old I'll take it.
     
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    Well you should be aiming for about x10 turnover so 20Gal tank, filter 200Gal/H well thats the general rule/guide
     
  6. Culprit3

    Culprit3 Aspiring Aquascaper

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    So I think I'm going to go with the penn plex cascade. 265 gph and a built in surface skimmer. Lots more media room then the sunsun, far higher flow rate, and won't clog up as easy.
     
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    Please forget about GPH or LPH its only the flow rate and usually measured without any filtration at all. Most important is it's reliability and quality filtration.
    The perfect filter for your tank
    http://www.thereefshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=20
    Yes its an Aussie shop but all the info is there.
    Only ever used Eheim canisters and never a problem. Its the old story you only get what you pay for.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    If that flow rate is accurate, moderately close....then you might be over doing it a bit. This flow rate is similar to the Eheim 2217,which I would not recommend for a 20 gallon. Rather the smaller 2215 model. For $15 however...itd be worth seeing. I'm guessing there will be a reduction in flow putting it near ideal. Be careful, a pointed focused flow will blow stuff around in a 20 gallon.
     
  9. Culprit3

    Culprit3 Aspiring Aquascaper

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    ShadowMac, surely as it i gets slightly clogged up it will slow down some. I will clean it once a month but the flow rate was probably taken with fresh clean media in it. If I need to I will just use a spray bar under the surface and just silicon over some of the holes until I get the right amount of spread out flow. Or I will get a violet pipe.

    Thanks Keith, but, 3 1/2 month old filter, I've had people on other forums commendate it, especially one guy who I really trust, and its better then the HOB I have now. It's quiet, a sturdy pump, and lots more media room then the SunSun. Since this guy is selling all his aquarium equipment it is cheap as well.

    I'm basically just replacing my HOB with this. I'm selling it, and getting a canister instead. Way less off gassing! This way I can sell the Aqueon QF 30 which I didn't like that much anyway, and use my Aquaclear 50 for a cheato fuge on my reef tank.

    Also, now that I have all the equipment for this tank, and since I won't need to buy ferts with the AS, all I will need is fish food. So now I can start saving for my reef tank.

    Speaking of fish food... Will corydora's and a german blue ram be OK in this aquascape? I know for sure I'm getting 10 to 15 ember tetras. I have currently 8 bronze corys which were originally in this tank, and I really want a gbr. Plus, with lots of water changes I won't have a problem with water quality for the gbr.
     
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    A good option for slowing down the flow a bit is to use a spray bar with the holes drilled larger, this disperses the flow over many outlets and a broad area. It can be effective to get good circulation without a strong current.
     
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    A pair of GBRs should be fine in a 20. No more than that though. Consider that corydoras appreciate a sand substrate...as to GBRs for that matter. When I keep them I like to have some sandy spaces for them. Although I have kept GBRs in carpeted tanks. Feeding is more difficult. In nature they sift the sand in their mouth getting out bits of food. They graze this way so do not eat as aggressively as other fish like tetras so will require some attention particularly in a tank with a carpet where food that sifts to the bottom can get lost in the plants.
     
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    All you can do is give it a try and see how it goes. All we can do is give you many years of experience advice.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Culprit3 Aspiring Aquascaper

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    So I'm getting ready to flood either this upcoming week or the week after that. I'm getting ready to make a plant order. What all plants would you suggest? I know some kind of Vals for behind the big rock, mabye jungle val? Mabye some types of crypts, and rotala or stargrass. I need a big variety to look good I believe. All the good aquascapes I've looked at have huge varietes of plants. Could you guys suggest some?
     
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    Check out hygrophila pinnatifida


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    Just to clear your planting up a little. There is a huge difference between a mix of species and many of the same species with different varieties.

    Not necessarily too many varieties incorrectly positioned would like a mixed green salad.

    If you buy too many plants at the beginning it will not be long before all you have will be a tank over full of plants and all your hardscape is hidden.

    Some plants multiply and spread very fast. When you have a list to select from do all your research first, and not just for size but is it suitable for your growing conditions.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Culprit3 Aspiring Aquascaper

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    So right now the plants I am looking at are:
    Jungle Val
    rotala rotundifolia (either regular or the "green" type, not sure which)
    alternanthera reineckii "mini"
    mabye bacopa?

    Would those look good?
     
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    Have you checked the growing conditions, lighting (high or low) , Co2 is it required?
    There is a mix there and in all the right conditions they should grow very well.

    That is very much a personal choice.

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  18. Culprit3

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    I think I'm going to go with italian vals instead because of size. Jungle val leaves get quite wide as in 1.5 to 2 inches. Italian stay a lot skinnier which I like.

    Rotala Rotundifolia:
    No Co2 required but greatly benefits.
    medium growth rate
    stem plant
    light medium

    Italian Val
    Ph: 6.0 - 7.5
    growth rate medium to fast
    rooted plant
    temperature 72 - 80
    Co2 not required
    Light medium

    AR mini
    stem plant
    light medium
    co2 medium
    height 5-10 inches but can prune shorter to form almost a carpet
    growth medium

    bacopa compact
    stem plant
    light low-medium
    co2 not needed but benefits greatly
    growth fast
     
  19. keithgh

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    Good you have started to do your research

    I have completed the Light all you have to do is complete the list below.
    It will stand out which is the most suitable for your tank

    Light
    Rotala Rotundifolia: Med
    Italian Val Med
    AR mini Med
    bacopa compact Low - Med

    Growth Rate
    Rotala Rotundifolia:
    Italian Val
    AR mini
    bacopa compact

    Co2
    Rotala Rotundifolia:
    Italian Val
    AR mini
    bacopa compact

    Temp
    Rotala Rotundifolia:
    Italian Val
    AR mini
    bacopa compact

    Growth and size.
    Rotala Rotundifolia:
    Italian Val
    AR mini
    bacopa compact

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  20. Culprit3

    Culprit3 Aspiring Aquascaper

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    I'm changing out the italian val for Vallisneria americana 'Asiatica'. I also added Dwarf baby tears, hydrocotyle, and micro sword to the plants list even though I already have them.

    Light
    Rotala Rotundifolia: Med
    Vallisneria americana: Med
    AR mini: Med
    bacopa compact: Low - Med
    Dwarf Baby Tears: High
    Hydrocotyle sp "Japan": Med
    Micro Chain Sword: Med -High

    Growth Rate
    Rotala Rotundifolia: Med
    Vallisneria americana: High
    AR mini: Med
    bacopa compact: High
    Dwarf Baby Tears: Med
    Hydrocotyle "sp" Japan: High
    Micro Chain Sword: High

    Co2
    Rotala Rotundifolia: Low
    Vallisneria americana: Low
    AR mini: Med
    bacopa compact: Low
    Dwarf Baby Tears: High
    Hydrocotyle "sp" Japan: Low
    Micro Chain Sword: Med


    Temp
    Rotala Rotundifolia: 70 - 82
    Vallisneria americana: 70 - 82
    AR mini: 70 - 82
    bacopa compact: 70 - 81
    Dwarf Baby Tears: 72 - 82
    Hydrocotyle "sp" Japan - 68 - 82
    Micro Chain Sword: 70 - 82


    Growth and size.
    Rotala Rotundifolia: 6 - 11"+
    Vallisneria americana: 7 - 11"
    AR mini: 2 - 4"+
    Bacopa Compact: 1 - 4"+
    Dwarf Baby Tears: 1 - 2"+
    Hydrocotyle "sp" Japan: 2 - 2"+
    Micro Chain Sword: 2 - 5"+
     
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