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30L "cube" - beginner

Discussion in 'Aquascaping Journals' started by Cip, Oct 29, 2013.

  1. Cip

    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Thank you for the long answer :), I've reasearch all the species that I have in the aquarium and they all have large temperature ranges. The owner of the LFS told me to raise it up because some diseases have low tollarance for certain temperatures so I could delete some disease posibility from the list of culprits.

    BTW I have endler fry in the tank :) I've seen them this morning.

    I think there was something in the tap water because all the fishes seems fine now after I've done 2 small water changes with water treated with a water conditioner. Will see what will happen in the next few days.

    I found a online aquatic store that sells seachem stability, I'm thinking on purchasing some and follow your advice.

    Keep you updated.

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    My biggest problem many years ago ??? came through the water and that killed all my good bacteria in a matter of hrs, I lost most of my big bottom feeders one LFS recommended Stability simply because the USA product was off the market.

    From that point onwards I always used Stability at every water change and after power outages and never a problem.

    The only reason for not using Sera products except foods was very hard to buy for some reason.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  3. Cip

    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Understood.
     
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    When something like happens you have to work backwards and if was after a water change the worst thing you can do is another water change.

    It could be your water supply or work being done many miles away on the pipe line after it leaves your main water supply.

    Over the colder months I always got White Spot, easily fixed I stored water for a week after taking it from my very hot Instantaneous HW service.

    If the hot water did not kill it not having a host certainly did once I started doing that no WS again.

    It comes down to always fix the cause as well.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  5. Cip

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    Hmm, good idea to use hot water, since I started I used only cold water stored in a bucket for a few days ( 4/5 days ).

    The fish are ok from what I can see, the female finished dumping fry, I have 4 in the maternity and 1 or 2 in the tank. Soon I will have shrimplets, one female RCS has egs under it's tail for some time now.

    It seems like that water conditioner helped, or at least I'm hoping that I wont have any more deaths.

    The list of deaths: 1 female Blue moscow guppy, 1 male Blue Moscow guppy, 1 male black bar endler, 1 veiltail ancistrus. Now I have 1 trio black bar endler, 3 normal ancistrus, 1 veiltail ancistrus, 6 RCS.

    The problem that I need to fix are the hydras, but I will solve it after Christmas somehow.
     
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    Not that far back I read they added the water condition after the new water was added and wondered what went wrong.

    I bought plastic water containers they are safe to use.

    That is a lot of fish to loose finding the cause will not be easy.

    I would start with the water assuming you did not import a sick fish.

    Did something come in via your water supply?

    Water temp?

    Filtration was the filter cleaned properly and when?

    Carbon Y/N

    Water perimeters is every thing OK?

    A mini Cycle (cause unknown)?

    Location of tank and any thing used in the room or near area (Fly spray, smoking etc)

    This is just a start of things that can cause problems very quickly

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  7. Cip

    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    I'm adding the conditioner in a bucket with tap water and let it sit for awhile, I don't add conditioner directly in the tank after I fill it.

    I have 2x20L water buckets which I use only for the tank.

    I'm guessing that the water was the problem but who know I don't trust the water company 100% with their water analysis.

    I had the temp set to 24degrees Celsius, now I set it up to 27 degrees Celsius.

    I clean the filter every water change, weekly.

    Carbon N

    Everything is ok with the water parameters nothing out of the ordinary.

    Mini Cycle, I guess it can be possible due to the size of the tank, that's why I want to purchase Seachem Stability.

    It's in a corner away from natural sunlight, I don't smoke in the room, no other aerosols.
     
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    It looks like it could be one of those ??? at a rough guess I would say a once only ??? came through the water.

    Do you warm the water up first?

    Another never feed on day of water change WHY??? its just one of those things a very good advice from a LFS many years ago.

    Can you get a full water test done of your tap and tank at your LFS by using your kit then theirs its just another check.

    I don't give in that easy.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  9. Cip

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    Until a week ago I've never warm my water first, but since I started using the conditioner I used hot water from the tap.

    Well I guess the never feed on the day the water change is obvious, if you feed in the morning and few hours later you change the water the uneaten food it's already broken down and the amonia level it's higher.

    After Christmas I guess I will to a water test, I'll ask also at the LFS if they do water tests. Until then I'll keep the fishes under the microscope.
     
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    Just checking a few details.

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    I would put the water containers in the laundry trough before I took the water out of the tank.

    Then I would fill the trough up with the hot water and test with finger to see when ready in the colder months it always took longer to warm up.

    That means never on that day always wait until the next day.

    What type of HW service do you have this is most important?

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    I got it that's why I was trying to find a logical explanation
    Central heating system.
     
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    All I was told in a simple way.

    The fish "can" find it difficult to fully digest the food and adjust to a water change at the same time.

    I will not hurt the fish at all if they miss a day for feeding.

    My fish/shrimp missed out twice a week.

    Some of the older HW services were in old copper tanks and that can cause problems as they get older.

    What about how you warm the water up?

    I will answer any more questions tomorrow for you, eye getting very tired.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    I live in a house and I have a central heating system, it's new, around 4 years.

    No problem Keith.
     
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    That should rule out any copper in your tank water.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Hey Guys,

    A Happy New Year too all of you !

    Quick update, the fish stopped dying. Population count: 2 endler females, 3 ancistrus, 5 ramshorn snails, 6 RCS, 9 endler fry ( which are growing well ), I saw also a few days before some RCS fry but not sure if they are still living, no signs of them :). The population seems happy and well for now.

    What I've done, following your advices:

    1. dosing Seachem Stability each water change
    2. start using a water conditioner/dechlorinator
    3. use hot water ( close to the temperature of the water in the tank ) for the water change
    4. not feeding the fish on the day I do a water change
    5. keeping the temperature stable at ~26 degrees Celsius.

    Soon I'll take some photos and post them here for you to see the progress.

    Plans for this year:
    1. get a quaratine/grower tank
    2. start a new tank, already started planning.
    3. transform the current tank to a shrimp only tank. move from RCS to something more attractive :) a mix between necaridinas ( yellow or orange ) and caridina ( crystal red/black ) and some amano.

    Best Regards!
     
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    So far that is great.

    That is good news.

    Put that into your new water first.

    Water change what are you doing how often and what percentage?

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
  17. Cip

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    I always put conditioner first, 20-30 min before adding it to the tank.
    I've started again doing 20% water change every week. But if I see something weird in the tank I add another 15-20% water change during the week. Seems pretty stable right now.

    Hope you are well and recovering from your troubles :).
     
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    Looks like you have every thing under control keep up the good work.

    Its a big insurance job now its up to them when its all finished.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     
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    Cip Aspiring Aquascaper

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    Hope that the insurance system works better in your country then in my country.

    All the best and keep you posted.
     
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    Yes we have a great system the company I am with are extremely helpful.

    I can assure you it would not be the cheapest but you get what you pay for.

    Keith:cat::cat:
     

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