My 1st tank - 60litre "Heaven Forest"

SuperWen · 07-21-2009, 02:57 PM

hello all...
this one is my first aquascape tank... i started play aquascape on march 2009, and this tank started on march too..

specification:

dimension: 60x30x35cm, app 60litre

illumination: TL 54w total, (1xOSRAM 18W/865, 1xTOSHIBA 18w/12000K, 1xBOYU flora 18W) 8hours/day, with DIY stand

filter: Hang-On ATMAN HF-0600

substrate: silica sand (1-2mm) with JBL fert at base

CO2: DIY yeast (1-1.5bps)

temperature: 27-28C (no chiller or heater)

fertilizer: wondergrow macro+, micro+, and root+ (made in indonesia

)

week 3

and after a month, algae destroyed my tank because fert over dosage (newbie basic fault

). and then i rescaped this tank totally...

a day after total rescape

week 4

week 12

fauna:
1 Ottocinclus affinis
20 cardinal tetra
5 galaxy rasbora
50 Red Cherry Shrimp
2 Neritina natalensis

flora:
Microsorum pteropus
Anubias sp.
Vesicularia dubyana
Hygrophylla corymbosa 'compact'
Vallisneria spiralis
Nymphaea lotus
Eleocharis acicularis
Echinodorus tennelus and the other echinodorus

thats all guys.. sorry for my bad english...

Suggestions would be appreciated

Jur4ik · 07-21-2009, 06:34 PM

It seems to me that your first scape failed because of too little co2 injection or not frequent enough maintenance regime.
The New scape is looking good. Please Tell us what your Maintenance Regime is?

SuperWen · 07-22-2009, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jur4ik

It seems to me that your first scape failed because of too little co2 injection or not frequent enough maintenance regime.
The New scape is looking good. Please Tell us what your Maintenance Regime is?

yeah.. i think so. because my co2 injection is only from yeast. i cant afford to buy pressurized co2

my maintenance regime?
water change 30% once a week,
fert: 4ml macro+ and 2ml micro+ three times a week
change yeast every 3weeks to keep my co2 supply

Jur4ik · 07-22-2009, 07:07 AM

I´m doing more frequent water changes, the smaller the tank the more often I change the water. If once a week than a minimum of 50%.

Maybe you can increase the bbl rate with multiple yeast bottles?

knocker · 07-22-2009, 07:40 AM

May be it is worth to think about bell type DIY reactor, to get more stable co2 level with east system. There is even possibility to make adjustable "bell" type reactor, where you can adjust contact area. This could by don using simple pet bottle with peace of 19mm hose. You can se how it is made in here. Adjustment can be made by moving 19mm hose up or down because of bottle neck shape (it is cone).
Sorry for my English, but I hope you'll understand what I mean.
P.S. idea for such solutions does not belongs to me.

SuperWen · 07-22-2009, 08:04 AM

@Jur4ik: thnx for your suggestion bro.. but i think with 2x1,5L bottle is enough to supply co2 for 60L tank.. it produce 1-1.5bps for 2-3weeks. and there are no algae problem after i use reactor (just a few thread algae at Java Moss)

@knocker: thnx for the link bro.. thats a good DIY reactor. but unfortunately i can't understand the language

.. i just look the picture.. can't understand how that reactor works.
i am using max-mix reactor to dissolve the co2, and it works good

but for my nano tanks, i only use cigarette filter for diffuser... its very effective to me..

that's ok, your english isn't bad bro...
my english isn't good instead
the important think is i know what you mean, and you know what i mean

krisha · 07-22-2009, 08:32 AM

"but for my nano tanks, i only use cigarette filter for diffuser... its very effective to me.."

that you gotta love

SuperWen · 07-22-2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krisha

that you gotta love

???
sorry, i dont know what do you mean...

Jur4ik · 07-22-2009, 08:43 AM

so you pluged a zigarette filter into the tube and it causes this tiny bubles?
this is really cool - but doesnt the cotton start to rot?

SuperWen · 07-22-2009, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jur4ik

so you pluged a zigarette filter into the tube and it causes this tiny bubles?
this is really cool - but doesnt the cotton start to rot?

yeah..yea.. you absolutely right,, the cotton start to rot after a week and the bubbles start to bigger...
so i changed it every weeks, when i do the water change.
its lucky i'm smoker so i have a lot of cigarette filter supply

i realize the cigarette not always harmful, it can be useful sometimes..

James Marshall · 07-22-2009, 09:19 AM

That's a great idea for the nano tank, simple yet effective.
I tried making holes in the tube with a pin, but the bubbles were still too big and it made a series of squeaking sounds as the gas was forced through the holes.
Does the cigarette filter method make any noise?

Cheers James

SuperWen · 07-22-2009, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Marshall

That's a great idea for the nano tank, simple yet effective.
I tried making holes in the tube with a pin, but the bubbles were still too big and it made a series of squeaking sounds as the gas was forced through the holes.
Does the cigarette filter method make any noise?

Cheers James

no.. it doesn't. it very effective for yeast co2, because yeast produce low pressure co2 and can't flow trough glass diffuser.

just try it james, satisfied guarantee

or if youre not a smoker, you can subtitute with cotton bud.
this is the cotton bud diffuser video, but this one with pressurized CO2 i think

YouTube - DIY CO2

James Marshall · 07-22-2009, 03:42 PM

Thanks SuperWen, for the info and the video, very useful.

Cheers James

JamesM · 08-10-2009, 08:33 PM

I'm curious, what makes you assume an overdose of ferts caused your initial algae outbreak? Nutrients don't cause algae.

SuperWen · 08-11-2009, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesM

I'm curious, what makes you assume an overdose of ferts caused your initial algae outbreak? Nutrients don't cause algae.

hmm.. not just because ferts i thought..
the unbalanced between ferts, CO2 and lighting destroyed my tank

bonjovi · 08-11-2009, 10:40 AM

imo, the fern (at the tallest driftwood) should be placed at the bottom edge instead of the top edge bro... it will grow big =)
other than that, it looks great bro...

SuperWen · 08-11-2009, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi

imo, the fern (at the tallest driftwood) should be placed at the bottom edge instead of the top edge bro... it will grow big =)
other than that, it looks great bro...

oh, that fern growth very slowly and never bigger than 10cm in length and 1,5cm wide, and i dont know what microsorum it is...
but just in case it grow very big, i will replace it with java moss or other plant

anyway, thnx 4 your advice bro...

Kimppa · 08-11-2009, 01:56 PM

Maybe it is MP "narrow leaf"...

SuperWen · 08-12-2009, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimppa

Maybe it is MP "narrow leaf"...

no it is not...
narrow can grow bigger than 20cm in length, CMIIW
i have "narrow" in my other tank, absolutely different with this MP...
just say this one is Microsorum Pteropus "unspecified"

SuperWen · 01-20-2010, 11:54 PM

update after 26weeks..

sorry for pict quality, because i only take with cellphone camera

07-21-2009, 02:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
SuperWen Aspiring Aquascaper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indonesia Posts: 67	My 1st tank - 60litre "Heaven Forest" hello all... this one is my first aquascape tank... i started play aquascape on march 2009, and this tank started on march too.. specification: dimension: 60x30x35cm, app 60litre illumination: TL 54w total, (1xOSRAM 18W/865, 1xTOSHIBA 18w/12000K, 1xBOYU flora 18W) 8hours/day, with DIY stand filter: Hang-On ATMAN HF-0600 substrate: silica sand (1-2mm) with JBL fert at base CO2: DIY yeast (1-1.5bps) temperature: 27-28C (no chiller or heater) fertilizer: wondergrow macro+, micro+, and root+ (made in indonesia ) week 3 and after a month, algae destroyed my tank because fert over dosage (newbie basic fault ). and then i rescaped this tank totally... a day after total rescape week 4 week 12 fauna: 1 Ottocinclus affinis 20 cardinal tetra 5 galaxy rasbora 50 Red Cherry Shrimp 2 Neritina natalensis flora: Microsorum pteropus Anubias sp. Vesicularia dubyana Hygrophylla corymbosa 'compact' Vallisneria spiralis Nymphaea lotus Eleocharis acicularis Echinodorus tennelus and the other echinodorus thats all guys.. sorry for my bad english... Suggestions would be appreciated Last edited by SuperWen; 07-21-2009 at 03:12 PM..

07-21-2009, 06:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jur4ik Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 2,123	It seems to me that your first scape failed because of too little co2 injection or not frequent enough maintenance regime. The New scape is looking good. Please Tell us what your Maintenance Regime is? __________________ Regards, Jur4ik

07-22-2009, 07:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jur4ik Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 2,123	I´m doing more frequent water changes, the smaller the tank the more often I change the water. If once a week than a minimum of 50%. Maybe you can increase the bbl rate with multiple yeast bottles? __________________ Regards, Jur4ik

07-22-2009, 08:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
krisha Aspiring Aquascaper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 80	"but for my nano tanks, i only use cigarette filter for diffuser... its very effective to me.." that you gotta love __________________ 130 l. planted tank

07-22-2009, 08:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Jur4ik Moderator Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 2,123	so you pluged a zigarette filter into the tube and it causes this tiny bubles? this is really cool - but doesnt the cotton start to rot? __________________ Regards, Jur4ik

07-22-2009, 07:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
knocker Junior Aquascaper Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania Posts: 7	May be it is worth to think about bell type DIY reactor, to get more stable co2 level with east system. There is even possibility to make adjustable "bell" type reactor, where you can adjust contact area. This could by don using simple pet bottle with peace of 19mm hose. You can se how it is made in here. Adjustment can be made by moving 19mm hose up or down because of bottle neck shape (it is cone). Sorry for my English, but I hope you'll understand what I mean. P.S. idea for such solutions does not belongs to me.

07-22-2009, 08:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
SuperWen Aspiring Aquascaper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indonesia Posts: 67	@Jur4ik: thnx for your suggestion bro.. but i think with 2x1,5L bottle is enough to supply co2 for 60L tank.. it produce 1-1.5bps for 2-3weeks. and there are no algae problem after i use reactor (just a few thread algae at Java Moss) @knocker: thnx for the link bro.. thats a good DIY reactor. but unfortunately i can't understand the language .. i just look the picture.. can't understand how that reactor works. i am using max-mix reactor to dissolve the co2, and it works good but for my nano tanks, i only use cigarette filter for diffuser... its very effective to me.. that's ok, your english isn't bad bro... my english isn't good instead the important think is i know what you mean, and you know what i mean

07-22-2009, 09:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
James Marshall Senior Aquascaper Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Posts: 100	That's a great idea for the nano tank, simple yet effective. I tried making holes in the tube with a pin, but the bubbles were still too big and it made a series of squeaking sounds as the gas was forced through the holes. Does the cigarette filter method make any noise? Cheers James

07-22-2009, 03:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
James Marshall Senior Aquascaper Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London Posts: 100	Thanks SuperWen, for the info and the video, very useful. Cheers James

08-10-2009, 08:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
JamesM Junior Aquascaper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: South Wales, UK Posts: 48	I'm curious, what makes you assume an overdose of ferts caused your initial algae outbreak? Nutrients don't cause algae. __________________

08-11-2009, 10:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
bonjovi Junior Aquascaper Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15	imo, the fern (at the tallest driftwood) should be placed at the bottom edge instead of the top edge bro... it will grow big =) other than that, it looks great bro...

08-11-2009, 01:56 PM	#18 (permalink)
Kimppa Aspiring Aquascaper Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 57	Maybe it is MP "narrow leaf"...

01-20-2010, 11:54 PM	#20 (permalink)
SuperWen Aspiring Aquascaper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indonesia Posts: 67	update after 26weeks.. sorry for pict quality, because i only take with cellphone camera

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